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The other day, I posted a comment from the writer Karen Brown, author of Prejudice in Harry Potter. I had originally seen the comment on Kristin Devoe's Daily Prophet blog, and I posted it Here in a discussion of Tim Wu's New Yorker Article.

I did not know Ms. Brown, but I wrote an e-mail to her inviting her to comment further, which she did. I never meant to drag her into a huge controversy or cause problems for her in any way, and I am so sorry. I have quoted dozens of bloggers in the past few months to show different views, and several of them have decided to comment here with no drama.  

I was just trying to give a balanced view of the case, since I have been criticized for my own bias. I felt that Ms. Brown had a refreshing view, since she is a fan and supporter of J. K. Rowling, but was wishing that fandom would tone down their criticism of Steve Vander Ark and let the legal system decide the fate of his book.

But due to unfortunate things that have been said in the past few days, Ms. Brown has been drawn into some accusations and threats, both public and private. She feels her statement is being misconstrued and her views distorted. This has caused her a great deal of distress, and she decided to state her own view in a public setting.  Therefore Karen has put out a Press Release:

Caught on the Wrong Side of Harry Potter Fandom 

United Kingdom of Great Britain & N. Ireland (Press Release) May 11, 2008 -- 

by Karen Brown


In response to the discussions provoked by Professor Wu’s article in the New Yorker last week, I made some remarks that I believe were taken totally out of context and blown way out of proportion. In some rather disturbing private exchanges, legal action has been repeatedly threatened by the Chief moderator of a popular fan site, and aspersions have been cast on my character that I feel I cannot tolerate and will not take lightly. I consider the message which ended said correspondence to be too much of a provocation; and so I am making a final declaration on the subject. The young lady in question seems to want to impress two things upon me:

1. That my actions and words have put me at litigation risk and that I would be liable in a court of law for saying that I had been edited and that I felt her site was biased and did not easily tolerate my somewhat oppositional viewpoint.

2. That I made my remarks elsewhere without even opening the notification letter which informed me that my post had been edited. She claims that she has proof of this that would incriminate me in a court of law.

In my complaint, I made one remark along the lines of “Basically, if it doesn’t 100% concur with the popular view, then it is not allowed. This disturbs me.” This was NOT a statement on behalf of every contributor who has ever felt slighted, or against all moderators on the site. However, it seems to have been interpreted that way. In truth, I was merely referring to my own post, which I felt was unnecessarily edited that day—for whatever reason. I was also referring to the fact that I felt somewhat picked on because my views were not in league with what I perceived to be the dominant mood on the site at that time. I have tried to assure the young lady that there was no mal-intent on my part when I made the remarks. I was annoyed at being edited for something I perceived as A). harmless and B). the truth. I stand by my assertion that the editing decision in this case was somewhat harsh.

I also do not understand why she feels I would make such a comment without reason (without even reading the notification from the moderator who informed me that I had been edited). She has insinuated on several occasions during our correspondence that I am a liar and that I purposefully made “pernicious” remarks about her site and all her moderators. And she seems intent on insisting that I did not read the notification beforehand; so apparently I made my remarks without cause. It’s as though I set out on some inexplicable mission to vilify her team. This, I find intolerable.

I have always maintained that many of us pro-Rowling fans are trying to say in the same breath that A). we completely denounce Vander Ark, who apparently deserves “no sympathy” and has no right to claim that he's being vilified, and B). we are perfectly fair and impartial where the case is concerned. I’m sorry to put it so bluntly, but we cannot have it both ways. Personally, I am not on Mr. Vander Ark's side (how could I be when I haven't seen his manuscript and I don't even know him?) I have simply given JK Rowling the benefit of the doubt because I love her books and (though I can't boast the privilege of knowing her personally) I have imagined her to be a nice lady. She says she appreciates legitimate scholarly work on the Harry Potter books and that Vander Ark’s work does not qualify as such. As a fan of her work, I feel I must give her the benefit of the doubt. Also, having myself written a book that I consider to be scholarly, obviously I crave her approval. So, clearly, I am not impartial to the case and would not qualify to sit on the jury. And so, reason dictates that I must leave the matter to the judge and his staff to decide if Mr. Vander Ark’s manuscript breaches Ms. Rowling’s copyright. There is no need for me to come out and denounce Vander Ark because I do not know him and I have not seen his work. After all, if this were a clear-cut crime, he would be in jail and the case would not be in court.

Ms. Rowling is perfectly capable of fighting her own battles. I don’t think she wants legions of fans to unite under her banner against one man (a man who is not even named as one of the defendants in the trial). And I don’t believe she wants us, her fans, to be cruel (intentionally or not) to anyone. At least, I hope not.

My initial remarks were made on Kristin Devoe’s “The Daily Prophet” blog, and they were later copied and pasted onto the “Illuminated Dungeon” blog by its moderator. In my remarks I stated that my posts on the site in question were being edited. In reality, only one post had been edited that day, and I corrected this statement on the site yesterday, after I realized that my comments had caused a stir. No part of the edited post contained expletives or attacked anyone personally. I simply called for the general tone to be modified. I took issue particularly with comparisons that were jokingly made between JK Rowling and God. They may or may not have been in response to Mr. Vander’s outburst about Ms. Rowling being God and Melissa Anelli being her prophet, a remark which was catalogued in Mr. Wu’s article. I felt that several God-related jokes which were made afterward were inappropriate and that it might be “misconstrued by casual observers.” I simply commented that, as fans of JK Rowling, we want to give the impression that we are fair and rational people; but remarks like those will make us look like cult-like fanatics, even if we are just joking. I felt that we should guard against portraying such an image of ourselves at this delicate time.

Furthermore, I have always felt that Mr. Vander Ark’s outburst were merely the words of a man who feels cornered and very much ostracized: He has the right to feel this way, because he is. Whether or not we believe he deserves it is totally irrelevant. This is why I recently praised MuggleNet for not making much of the remarks or extensively commenting on it on their site. Rather than dwelling on his remarks, ridiculing him for them, or taking swipes at him in return for the accusations he levied against them, they made a mature decision and largely ignored the statements. We should be inclined to feel a degree of pity for Mr. Vander Ark, regardless of whether or not we feel he “brought this onto himself.” Those of us who knew him personally have their right to feel “betrayed.” But I don’t see why it needs to lead to others who do not know him joining the bandwagon and waving banners. As I have said time and time again, there are too many of “us” and only one Steve Vander Ark; and those of us who are not personally involved should show some restraint and not join in with cries of denunciation or the jibes. We should stick to discussing the legal issues and leave the personal statements out of it.

Otherwise, we risk appearing like the tag-alongs from our high school days who simply aligned themselves with the numerous, the powerful or the popular and picked on the “outcasts.” After all, I am being told that my comment was edited because it broke Rule #1 (Be nice); but much of what I was seeing at that time was far from nice; though, as I have also said many times before, the site in question is usually one of the most objective and fair “pro-JKR” websites. But I don’t believe poking even mild fun at a lone outsider, even if he has done something wrong, qualifies as nice. Besides, this whole notion of being nice…it is highly subjective, is it not?

The young lady is perfectly within her rights to be annoyed at me for making the criticisms that were made, especially since I took my grievance elsewhere and did not display complete loyalty to her site (But why should I have to? I was under the impression it was a media outlet, just like any other. I make no apologies for shunning or disparaging any behaviour that seems cliquish). She is also perfectly within her rights to defend her moderators. In fact, I commend her for that, and I agreed to beg to differ on the notion that my post was abusive and deserved to be cut out. She has every right to insist that her moderators are usually fair because I do believe that most of the times they are. Like I said, this is a very subjective business that we are involved in. I apologized for hurting her feelings and for saying anything that she feels might have damaged her site’s reputation. But much of what she has done in return is to make adamant accusations and threaten legal action against me over a matter that I can only regard as self-evident, at best, and trite, at worst. Is she really going to take me to court for simply pointing out that the mood on her site was not impartial at that time (even though I detected a great degree of desperation to be acknowledged as such)? As for her having “proof” that I commented on Ms. Devoe’s blog before even receiving the notification that I had been edited (therefore intentionally “slandered” her site without cause) then all I can say is that I cannot wait to see this proof. I await the court summons with baited breath.

Karen A. Brown
http://www.thelppc.com/karenbrown-blogg-prejudiceinharrypotter.html


 

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alwaysholly
May. 12th, 2008 03:12 am (UTC)
Well I guess I missed all this with everything going on. When is the trial going to wrap up?
rattlesnakeroot
May. 12th, 2008 03:18 am (UTC)
Yes, you've had enough to do in real life!

The final papers were filed on Friday, so the Judge could decide any time, but it may be weeks unless there is a settlement before then.
(Anonymous)
May. 12th, 2008 03:32 am (UTC)
Melissa Anelli
Melissa Anelli is one of the most vile individuals I have ever encountered in this fandom. She will strike first-think second-and cover her own ass third.
ms_arithmancer
May. 12th, 2008 05:33 am (UTC)
Oh, the drama!

If criticizing the moderation of a forum is actionable, I'm in trouble. *grins*

rattlesnakeroot
May. 12th, 2008 05:46 am (UTC)
You've got that right! Name a forum - any forum - and someone has questioned the Moderation at some point.

Certainly you and I, and alot of other people we know, have had deleted posts and deleted threads, and talked about it other places. Even HPN - where we hardly ever delete anything as a matter of policy - has had a share of controversy over Moderation.
kamion
May. 12th, 2008 07:59 am (UTC)
OK,
do I really get the picture right?
author sues a fan for not following her wishes....(actuslly the editor of that fan)
other fan waves with suing another fan, for not following her wishes.

quote KAB:
That my actions and words have put me at litigation risk and that I would be liable in a court of law for saying that I had been edited and that I felt her site was biased and did not easily tolerate my somewhat oppositional viewpoint

Of Rowling I sort of manage to understand why she is undertaking the actions she feels needed to take, not that I agree.
But of that TLC-Mistress I am lost other that to conclude, it's a basketcase that locked itself up upon an island and lost contact with reality.
Ever heard of Zyprexa I would say, can be use as therapy against bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.
If the reaction of mentioned WEB-Mistress is as described above,
and I am biased enough to believe it is, having experienced a few edits at TLC without a beforehand note, it equals very close to paranoia.

besides paranoid, it doesn't show much creativity either,
Dale Cendali should sue Mellisa Anelli for stealing her methods of intimidating.
kabbymoh
May. 12th, 2008 08:22 am (UTC)
Stuck in the middle
I liked the anonymity of posting on Leaky without many people knowing that I was Karen Brown. But after seeing what happened with kbnthomas, I could not sit back and allow Melissa Anelli to make more insinuations about other Leaky members. And so, I came out and acknowledged my identity. I don't have many personal attributes but I know that my heart is not that of a coward. Had Melissa simply checked her facts, she would have realized that kbnthomas hadn't been edited that day, and she would have kept her mouth shut instead of shooting off in all directions.

The other thing that worries me is that I have to agree with Mr. Vander Ark about one thing: Melissa apparently derives a great degree of safety and satisfaction (and no little amount of arrogance) from sharing a personal acquaintance with JKR. But as far as I see it, this privileged alliance is even more reason for her to act with decency, decorum and fairness towards others, especially at this point when important decisions are about to be made with regards to the court case. Nobody likes a bully; and after what I experienced this weekend, I can say categorically that Ms. Anelli has been behaving like a bully. I suspect she might soon threaten legal action for this statement, too?
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lemon_ashwinder
May. 12th, 2008 08:38 am (UTC)
Karen Brown said it all. She laid out a valid and rational position at a fansite and was slammed for it. Good for you, Karen!

I suppose it's inevitable that fan sites will develop a collective point of view. It may therefore be inevitable that a person with even a slightly divergent opinion may not be lauded by the majority. But, yuck.

The immaturity of many Potter fans has never been so painfully obvious to me as now. I wonder if someone will feel the need to sue me for expressing that opinion. But we do have the right to express our opinions in the wider world, if not at certain fansites. So those who forget this might do well to understand that Potterland is not the real world. And while Rowling's wizarding world seems to allow citizens very few rights, Potterland is a tiny fictional subset of the real world. Screaming I'm gonna sue!" over a petty disagreement in fandom is about as rational and effective as screaming "Off with their heads!"

And it makes one look, dare I say it, pathetic.

wickedblonde
May. 12th, 2008 09:06 am (UTC)
Melissa's 'damage control' is doing more damage than good.
kinglear3_4_143
May. 12th, 2008 12:25 pm (UTC)
Screaming I'm gonna sue!" over a petty disagreement in fandom is about as rational and effective as screaming "Off with their heads!"

I think the mere threat of a suit works very, very often, and it's got little to do with the question whether the charge is nonsensical or not. Not many people have the nerve to dare a possible law suit, and I can't blame them. It's a nerve-wrecking thing, quite costly too (unless you've got an extra insurance, and frankly, who's got one of those?!), and ESPECIALLY when the initial reason doesn't seem to be 'worth it', anyone who rather walks away from it than take a risk has my full sympathy.

I study law, and I had to realise that's an actual problem when looking for a new flat. Landlords looked at me in a different way after I had told them what I'm doing, and it was absolutely clear that they wondered how easily I might file in court if something should go wrong between us. I started to conceal my studies, and I instantly found a flat, then. And I couldn't blame the other landlords; I would wonder about the same question if I were them. There will always be issues that might lead to disagreement (who is liable for what exactly, for example), and it's always nicer to think that one can handle it in an amicable fashion, instead of being sent lawyer's letters straight away.

Gosh, this was long, I'm sorry. My sole point was that threats of legal actions are a quite effective; they scare off nine out of ten people.
kabbymoh
May. 12th, 2008 12:40 pm (UTC)
kinglear's remark
Thanks for your input kinglear. No, it wasn't that long at all. I see what you're saying about people being easily scared by the threat of lawsuits. I warned Ms Anelli time and time again not to take that tone with me because I am not afraid of her. But she just kept on goading and accusing and calling me a liar and telling me she has "proof" that I am a liar and mentioning "lawyers" and "action." But I don't scare easily. And I am not impressed by people just because they have powerful friends. You've got to be decent and at least have some talent to earn my respect. This is not to say that she isn't decent or talented because I am sure she is. But I don't know her personally...Hence why she should have laid off the personal insults.
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potionsmistres
May. 12th, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)
I applaud you, Karen for not only your original comments, but for standing up to someone who seems to believe that if you don't agree with her, then she has the right to sue. It's a ridiculous notion to think that she was "slandered" in any way. I still fail to see how your original comments were "not nice" and have a sinking feeling that this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this fandom-war. Potterverse seems to have spawened more fandom wars than any other fictional genre I'm familiar with (shipping wars for instance). It was one thing when the pettiness and bitterness was limited to a fictional universe and the arguments swirled over who was going to hook up with who, but quite another when it spills over into the real world of fair use and copyright law, and it seems, slander law. I think it would do many fans out there to act like the adults they are, and put an end to the clique-ishness that has resulted. Bravo, Ms. Brown for standing up for yourself!
(Anonymous)
May. 12th, 2008 04:11 pm (UTC)
I don't know what to say. I thought I was going to get honesty and truth here and what I find is evil. It's awful how you spew hatred and jealousy from every corner of the blog. If you don't like LL so much DON'T VISIT. It's that simple, really. You aren't forced to go places you don't like. You aren't forced to interact with people you don't like. I'm sorry you didn't create a website like Leaky. I'm sorry you're not making money off Potter. This is a blog, yes, but this is a blog that allows comments. As long as comments are allowed you will get different opinions. You cry foul all day long about how Leaky doesn't allow differing opinions, which is not true, and yet you treat the differing opinion here way worse than you claim they treat them at Leaky.

Melissa has done a great job of maintaining control and order at Leaky. Everyone's done a great job of showing you how wrong you are. They are censoring your side, your opinions, or anything of the sort. They censor anything that goes against the not playing nice rule. Go ahead tell me how wrong I am. When I hear you say it I know I'm right. :)
rattlesnakeroot
May. 12th, 2008 06:56 pm (UTC)
*Evil*???

Why is it evil for me to give Karen a place to state her side of the story? She tried to work this out on Leaky, and she tried in vain to work it out behind the scenes, and was threatened instead.

I'm sorry you didn't create a website like Leaky. I'm sorry you're not making money off Potter.

I don't know what your point is there, Anonymous. Do we sound "jealous" of Leaky? I hope not, because that's just not true.

I've created whatever I've created, and I'm just as proud of my time in Fandom as anyone else. I don't begrudge anyone their money, but this isn't about money, fame, or anything else.

This is about the truth, which is not evil, but just there. It's like when you turn over a rock in the woods and you don't know what you are going to see. You might see a beautiful salamander and that's a nice surprise. Just as likely you will see a cockroach or a centipede. All of that is "true."

Sometimes the truth isn't "nice" and it isn't what you want to hear.
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kabbymoh
May. 12th, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
Anonymous's remarks
Anonymous, I am not going to tell you are wrong at all. I am just going to tell you that you have a right to your opinion. And I would never threaten you with a lawsuit or call you a liar because of that opinion.
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e_witness
May. 12th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
My goodness, I am shocked. I've been avidly following the thread at Leaky for news (you saw the post for the "Findings of Fact" filed on May 9?), so I caught the beginnings of this particular quibble brewing, but last I knew, it had died down in favor of more appropriate discussion. It catches me completely by surprise that Ms. Anelli is now threatening legal action? What absurdity. I don't understand what she could possibly accuse Ms. Brown of - for stating her opinion?

From what I understand, Ms. Anelli is disturbed that there is a rumor going around about deleted posts at LL and she doesn't like the implied slight to her moderators. I understand that. But she has also said earlier on that very thread (in the context of responding to Wu's article): "There is also a difference between letting mildly so-what-negative stuff go, and allowing people to say whatever they like about you in the public because you've shown you'll never react. There's a lot to which I haven't reacted; this just isn't one of those things. And shouldn't be." I guess I just don't think Ms. Brown's comments were provocative or warrant a reaction. I don't think Ms. Anelli has much cause to worry about fans leaving the forum because of a rumor of biased moderating. The forum can attest to that in itself. I've certainly heard enough of those comments, and I still visit and post at the forum.

There is just no call for a lawsuit or even an off-hand threat. My goodness, I'm sure we've all had enough of lawsuits. (Not intending any offense to those studying or working in that profession of course!)
teaqueenie
May. 12th, 2008 05:37 pm (UTC)
tempest in a teapot, yes?
I wish this had remained a tempest in a teapot. I saw this from the beginning and found it curious. I thought Karen's original statement gave an impression different from her follow-up. She clarified - good. But Melissa kept going. Now, legal action? A press release? Karen, perhaps we should view MA as a bit cornered at the moment. I doubt that this has been easy for her and she has been vilified/mocked on several sites now.

Could you explain why you feel MA has become arrogant over her relationship with JKR? I've only read statements that negate that. In fact, when SVA made the charge, I thought it spoke volumes about his jealousy and motivation. Is it something you opine or is there a tangible reference?

SIP, you should be commended for allowing some serious dissent. That's why I come here...it's not always nice or my POV but I like the divesity.
kabbymoh
May. 12th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
Re: tempest in a teapot, yes?
"Tempest in a teapot" indeed. It has gotten a bit out of hand, hasn't it? I can only base my opinions on the exchanges Ms. Anelli and I have had. Many of her remarks and her insistence on litigation struck me as unnecessary, odd and willfully intimidating. And I surmised that only someone with a certain degree of assurance in their own untouchability and invincibility, would take things so far over such a simple matter. Regrettably, it got very personal. Prior to that, my tone was more apologetic than anything, especially when I posted on the Leaky thread. The first message I received from Melissa after acknowledging that I was Karen Brown stated that, after checking her records, she realized that I made the complaint about being edited well before I received the notification that I had been edited. She also expressed concern when I copied another member into my reply, saying that she decided to keep this information off the threads and between us because she didn't want to embarass me. I found this offensive as well, but only because she kept insisting she was right and that I was lying. This made no sense to me and I said as much. A heated email correspondence ensued where I continued to deny the allegation that I commented about being edited without knowing that I had been edited and she continued to threaten legal action, saying she had "proof" that she was telling the truth and her servers can back her up. I mentioned the issue of time difference because I live in the UK, hoping Ms Anelli and I could walk away with some mutual agreement to differ amicably. But she just kept pressing and threatening ("lawyers" and "action" were mentioned one too many times during this correspondence). So I asked someone else to look at the series of messages and give me an opinion. Did I have a right to be concerned. They found it equally distressing. Ms. Anelli shares an acquaintance with JK Rowling and other people that I would not want such an opinion of myself reported to, without having a chance to defend my name. So I decided to go ahead and make this public.

I do feel sorry this has been blown up and I never meant to cause Ms Anelli any distress. But I found her remarks quite distressing as well; and totally uncalled for. She must be under a lot of pressure, I can understand that. But for goodness sake, why can't we all just admit that we are human, that we are not "impartial" and that other people have a right to their opinions too?
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deccaboo
May. 12th, 2008 07:03 pm (UTC)
OMG, round and round the drama goes...where it stops nobody knows...

I think Karen Brown was right to cover her ass with the statement, it seems like MA is very quick to wave the legal threats and I don't blame KB for getting her side in quick.
(Anonymous)
May. 12th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
A few observations
~ When a moderator on the Leaky Lounge forum edits a members comment, the type of board they use has been programmed to show an edit has been made in the post itself. This instruction however can be over-ridden and it has been for Melissa Anelli. She can edit a comment and the users would never know. You only have to look at her own posts where she goes back and adds something ~ for everyone else the post would read "edited..date...time" ~ hers do not.

~ Melissa Anelli is not a moderator on that site. Never has been, never will be. She does however have full admin controls and can delete/edit whatever she wants. A few months ago she deleted a comment by a member called Arianhrod and this caused some flaming because instead of a personal message, Melissa took this member to task in the discussion thread. Several members complained about this and a message went to all moderators from NickTLC that they were not to enter into any discussion with members complaining about Melissa.

Please do not judge all moderators on the LL by the actions of Melissa Anelli.
kabbymoh
May. 12th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
Re: A few observations
Points taken. Thank you for posting these remarks. And I respect your decision to remain anonyous. I would hate for anybody else to get unnecessarily whacked with the "traitor" stick. Cheers.
itiswar
May. 13th, 2008 02:36 am (UTC)
Deleting post
I don't ever remember making a post that I considered rude and I certainly never used a curse word in any post I make at either Mugglenet or the LL, but I had all my previous post at LL deleted and I was suspended without a warning for what they called Spamming in one of my post because I referenced my DIATSSISE site when it existed.

I can understand a warning and I can even accept the suspension, but to go back and delete every post I had made on the site suprised me. Even when cosforums banned me without a warning for telling a moderator in a private message that I had socks older then she was they didn't go back and delete every post I had ever made on the site.

In fairness to LL, Mellisa did unsuspend me when I emailed about 3-6 months later and asked if "suspended" meant banned forever. I had to promise to never enter a link to another site and then she unsuspended me.

Anyway, I thought cenorship to control the poster's views was standard practice on most discussion forums. This is what caused me to research "disinformation" and take interest in the marketing courses on this subject.
(Anonymous)
May. 13th, 2008 02:43 am (UTC)
Re: Deleting post
Leaky is a strict forum. I don't agree with the suspension, but you did break a rule. You can't claim ignorance.
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itiswar
May. 13th, 2008 03:43 am (UTC)
I might have made a mistake
After I made the above post, I got to wondering whether or not it was the LL or Hapanna that suspended me, deleted my post and then unsuspended me. To be fair to LL, I'm not for sure which site did this to me and since I deleted all my emails I can't check.

Yes, deleting post and banning different opinions is the right of the administrators and owners of the sites and people are used to these activities. This is why disussion forms are so useful in marketing and politics. The people who own the sites can make it appear that their opinion is the opinion of the majority by censorship. Since the opposing post are deleted, no one even knows they were made and deleted, unless they were seen before they were deleted.

What a wonderful tool for disinformation.
kabbymoh
May. 13th, 2008 07:14 am (UTC)
turning the focus elsewhere
I've made a public statement after having a series of disturbing email exchanges with the young lady, which for me was just too much of a provocation. No agreement was reached because said young lady seemed incapable of admitting that A). her forum is not as impartial as she wants us to accept it is and B). she might have misread what she claimed the server confirmed about me complaining about an edit before it happened or before I was notified. Yes, I felt it necessary to make this statement in order to "cover my ass," as one commentator here rightly put it.

Now I feel I don't want to talk about it anymore and I'd like to turn the focus eleswhere, namely here: http://rattlesnakeroot.livejournal.com/39980.html

I find this discussion thread fascinating and I urge you all, if you have not done so yet, to forget about the silly squabble and let's discuss the HP canon instead.
Re: turning the focus elsewhere - (Anonymous) - . th, 12:00 am (UTC) - Expand
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(Anonymous)
Oct. 1st, 2008 11:08 pm (UTC)
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Did you hear? Russian agressor attacks USA...
More info here: hotusanewx.blogspot.com

SHOKED!!
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